Margate Historical Society

The Parakeet club and Margate teenage memories of the 1960s

2012-02-08T14:37:00.004Z

"Unlike teenagers today who seem to meet in pubs and clubs. We used to meet up in Cafe's. The one that I used was the Parakeet in Northdown Road. In those days, it was run by a truly lovely couple called Doug and Pam. They were very tolerant of us and early evening, before the real money spenders arrived, we could sit and chat with a cup of tea and a bowl of chips. There always seemed to be a strange or weird waitress working there, who normally added to the fun of the place. One would be eating your chips as she walked to the table. Another one would disappear for days to London, get stoned, come back and be in a daze for days. Friends were made, relationships developed, marriages, even divorce amongst the older ones.

There were the two Jewish boys who turned up one day with brand new matching cars with consecutive number plates. Barry who married a girl called Iris, who made him change his surname from Plant to Grant. Sadly, Barry went out fishing one day and never came back. A girl called Cristal who had quite a lot of success as a singer. Brenda who worked for the local hairdresser "Monsieur Jacques"

He was always referred to in a fake French accent.

Jo-Anne, always winning beauty contests at the Lido.

Buzz, who worked at a bank, but when chatting up strangers always told them he was a photographer for the magazine Honey.

Brian who was a real photographer.

I could go on and on, but would love to know if there are any old “ members “ of the Parakeet “ club “, still around and maybe we could swap memories of a calmer time. "

A teenage memory by Robin Lovell received by email

Margate Museum open for Heritage Open week

2011-09-10T15:32:00.001+01:00

Great News the Margate Museum is open for the Heritage Open days and more, come and see the @talking about my Generation' exhibition on the events of 1964 Mods & Rockers riots. open from 11 til 5pm from today until next Wednesday.

Margate Historical Society Meeting 14th July 3pm - 5pm

2011-06-26T06:34:00.001+01:00

The Margate Historical Society are having a meeting in the Baptist Church in Cecil Square, we are using the big hall at the back entrance, and will be havinf a speaker from Underground Kent see flyer below.

'Thursday 14th July at the Baptist Church, (New Street Entrance) From 3pm till 5pm Margate Historical Society invite you to come and hear about the Society and how to become a member as well as a talk from Barry Stewart of Underground Kent. FREE to Members of the Historical Society, open to non members for subscription of 50p included tea/coffee and biscuits. PLEASE CALL TO BOOK PLACE AS THEY ARE LIMITED ON 01843 223300'

Margate Museum opening 25th June 2011 Tony Ovenden

2011-06-26T06:22:00.000+01:00

Today I did my bit as a volunteer for todays opening at the Margate Museum which was also a great opportunity to have a good look around with the intention of seeing what was there from Ramsgate in the Museum archive. It has been four years since I last looked at the archive and it was a bit of a surprise that nothing was dusty and everything was in its place. However, it did take me a while to familiarise myself with the files. It was no surprise the vast majority of the files were Margate related, from Ramsgate there were five main files on Ramsgate in general, two files on Ramsgate pubs, one file on Ramsgate Mayors with research notes and smaller files on subjects like Sally ferries etc., Most of the Ramsgate archive were copy documents all neatly filed with a few photographs and some original material which are all ideal for scanning. Looking at all the files it is clear that the vast majority can be scanned which would easily reduce the storage space by about seventy five per cent or more. The most refreshing thing about the archive being that every part of Thanet is well represented and it all can be scanned and stored on a data base.

There is not much Museum gossip to write about other than that the loans from the Medway Steam Preservation Society are to be returned as the loan period is near the end, which will make some space available in the maritime room.

Overall, the day did go well and considering the economic climate and the pressures on local government finances, I think it is a good idea by TDC to open the Museum to coincide with events using the volunteer base from the Friends of the Margate Museum until firm decisions about the Museum are made.

On July 4th the Friends of the Margate Museum will be having a meeting at the Old Town Hall at 19:30 hrs for those that are interested

Starting Out Again by Tony Ovenden

2011-06-24T06:58:00.000+01:00

Following the disastrous fire a few years ago at the Ramsgate library the question that went through the minds of Margate historians was what would we do if the Margate Museum suffered the same fate and how would we react. This led to a great rethink within the Margate Historical Society which by then had become fully independent from the Margate Museum. The decision was to research and publish quality articles and distribute the findings as far and wide as possible. Very much the same as what the Margate Civic Society is doing at present, producing and distributing quality items. So if the hub of information is affected by a disaster then information can be pulled back in and it can be business as usual. A fine example of Margates history stored outside the recognised hub of the Margate Museum and library and how it can be achieved has to be Tony Lee's Margate history website which is featured on my favourites side bar.

However, this does not resolve the problem of replacing artefact's which does sound a daunting task. A key to this is how the Margate Museum developed in the past ten years and how easy it is thanks to the Internet to acquire historical artefact's. In fact it is now possible to set up a Museum on a relatively low budget and with public donations of items the possibility of setting up a collection within a year or so is achievable.

I could never understand why after the fire at the Ramsgate library that the history of Ramsgate as told in artefact's and exhibits sort of died, and when the Maritime Museum closed it seems as if everyone sort of gave up. Exceptions being, Ralph Hoult who happens to have his own private museum, Terry Wheelers fledgling Ramsgate Historical Society and the Ramsgate History forum on the net.

Now that I have settled in as a Ramsgate Town Councillor, I have been slowly but surely going through every single print of Ramsgate on the Internet, looking at where I can source items should I need to, I have also started a database on Ramsgate artefact's, I have started buying in items and I am researching into Ramsgate items in local authority ownership. In fact I am using everything I learnt through experience at the Margate Museum as a Margate Historian and I am now applying it to Ramsgate. I doubt if I will ever be an "expert" on the history of Ramsgate but I do know I have the minerals to do something about its sad decline.

I came across this excellent engraving from the Illustrated London news which is going through ebay at the moment for £18.50, it is so tempting.

Kent Messenger Ltd: View Picture: LI26672@Margate Bomb damage 5.jpg

2011-04-03T10:44:00.000+01:00

Kent Messenger Ltd: View Picture: LI26672@Margate Bomb damage 5.jpg

Margate - LI26672@Margate Bomb damage 5.jpg

Building in Northdown Road, Margate, were damaged when 12 F. W. 190's raided the town on 1st June, 1943. COPYRIGHT KENT MESSENGER GROUP 01622 794667 e-mail picturedesk@thekmgroup.co.uk Picture Services Editor Barry Hollis NO REPRODUCTION OF THIS IM

Beach Glass

2011-01-22T21:30:00.000Z

One of the outstanding features of Beachcombing on the Thanet Coast is there is always something to find if you put your mind it. The entire coast like the rest of the UK is a mass of natural history items from the marine environment , natural to a specific area like sea shells for example. Another interest are the historic items that can date back centuries that can be picked up just casually walking on the main sands. One fine example is sea glass or cullet as it is generally known. Some areas of the Thanet coastline have it in abundance, and on certain winds and tides after unsettled weather it is very easy to pick up. Margate main sands is a fine example and this clip from Youtube even though it is from a far and distant beach many miles away in another country typify the finds are what I would expect to find on Margate main sands. In fact I have done exactly that and have built up a almost identical collection. The useful thing about about this clip is that explains how to date pieces of beach glass by the necks. On other youtube clips it is interesting how some people look at beach glass with a artistic eye making interesting jewellery and artistic designs.

Great British Railway Journeys

2011-01-22T20:14:00.007Z

On Tuesday 26th January at 18:30hrs, Margate will be featured on BBC 2's series Great British Railway Journeys presented by Michael Portillo. The journey is from Canterbury to Margate and I do know that the bathing machine and Benjamin Beale will get a mention as the society has made a cotribution by providing research material for the programme makers.

Building Storeys: The Work of A Buildings Historian

2010-11-29T19:18:00.000Z

ELLEN: HOUSE HISTORIAN. Read post below and see link for further reading.

Building Storeys: The Work of A Buildings Historian

The Work of A Buildings Historian

Park Street, Mayfair 1901 (Survey of London)

I came to researching historic buildings by accident. All I knew was that I wanted to work with old buildings and play a part in their conservation. I had always loved history; I had always been interested in old buildings and always enjoyed the process of research. But it was only when I studied for a post-graduate in building conservation at the Architectural Association that I realised that there could be a career incorporating all these elements.

I started at the deep end, researching buildings for a firm of conservation architects. I was and am ostensibly an historian but my post-graduate in building conservation gave me that depth of knowledge required by architectural professionals.

Today my clients include architects, property developers, planning consultants as well as private home owners. The latter call on my services for many reasons; mostly just to find out the story of their house, but at other times it is to support a planning application or help settle a boundary dispute.

A house historian will look at dates, people and any stories surrounding the house and occupants. In my work, I also look at what was on the site before construction, who built it, how was it constructed, for whom and why? What was the building used for, what alterations had been made in the decades / centuries since construction? I scrutinise architects’ plans, identify alterations and piece together how the building has evolved. This kind of research aids the restoration, conservation and building process. For instance it can determine the historical importance and relevance of architectural features and whether they can or cannot be altered or removed. Particularly if a building is listed, an in depth knowledge of the building’s fabric is crucial.

One example of my work involved a house in St John’s Wood that had been lived in by a famous artist in the 19th century. It was assumed he had designed it himself and had had the entire building built in 1888. However, my research involving visual inspection and later documentary searches revealed the grand late Victorian house was built partially around a more humble but equally fascinating structure dating to 1825. The conservation / architectural result was that the intended extension had to be modified but in the end the owner achieved what he wanted without disturbing the earlier fabric of the building.

Another example was, a homeowner who had purchased a listed house in Cumberland Terrace in Regent’s Park, built in 1828 and wanted a swimming pool dug in the basement. The opinion was that the listed status was mainly for its external structure and appearance and that the house had been heavily altered internally and therefore the pool should be permitted. However, research revealed the basement floor to be virtually untouched since the late Georgian period and so the owner had to rethink his pool plans. My work is balanced between wanting to conserve the historic fabric of buildings and trying to achieve what the client wants. Ultimately, though, I can only report the facts and from that decisions can be made.

Cumberland Terrace 1938 (Survey of London)

While I work all over the country, I have often been asked to research a Georgian or Victorian townhouse in Belgravia or Mayfair with a view to converting the building back into a single residence (having been converted into flats in the 1950s). In these instances, I would be required to find out the original layout of the building in order to reinstate the plan form, its walls, doorways, windows and sometimes floor levels.

When I research the history of a house I begin by inspecting the premises and getting a feel for the structure. I will then source information at local libraries and archives e.g. maps, parish records, manorial records, electoral rolls, census returns and archived photographs of the building site or area. Depending on the building, a visit to the National Archives at Kew may be needed. In the case of an in depth architectural search, I always visit the Royal Institute of British Architects Library as well.

From these example sources, and many others I call on, I can build and write a history of the building, for the architects or owners. I often liken it to doing a jigsaw puzzle (but without a picture to guide you). Each piece is important, but it is only when you put them all together that the full historical picture of the house is finally revealed.

(This blog first appeared on http://www.francoisemurat.com)

Tudor House Opening for Christmas

2010-11-20T19:54:00.000Z

For the details of the Tudor House opening and Museum have a look at the following link.

http://margatearchitecture.blogspot.com/2010/11/tudor-house-opening-for-christmas.html

Funeral Service Details for Mick Twyman

2010-09-26T07:28:00.002+01:00

Please find below the funeral details for Mick Twyman.

The service will take place at the Margate Crematorium on Thursday 30th September at 11.20am and will follow on at Lesters, Ramsgate Road.

Arrangements for Floral tributes to Gore Bros Ltd

Mr Mick Twyman Secretary to 2010

2010-09-15T12:00:00.005+01:00

It is with a great sadness that we announce the death yesterday (14th September 2010), of Mr Mick Twyman founder member and Secretary of the Margate Historical Society. This was very sudden and we will all miss him and his expert knowledge of Margate and its environs.

He had just completed the October Society Newsletter, which will be published as usual on the 14th October, and we hope to have some additional obituaries to include with this issue. The Society was developing well since the AGM in April and we all had plans to make its archive more accessible and widely used. This will go one in his memory and will be called the 'Mick Twyman Bequest'.

Mick loved Margate with a passion not felt by the many, but he was able by his example to fire others imagination and thirst for history in general and Margate History in particular. We are working on setting up a suitable tribute to the life long work of Mick and anyone wishing to be included should contact The Society via email at margate@tesco.net or margatehistoricalsociety@yahoo.co.uk or call 01843 223300

Please feel free to send your memories of Mick to this blog site, and we will be happy to post them for all to see.

Lynn Jackson
Administrator & Acting Secretary

Talk on a New Novel & The Shell Grotto: Margate Library

2010-08-26T10:39:00.006+01:00

Kent County Council News Release

How was the Shell Grotto discovered?

Local author talk at Margate Library

Sonia Overall will be giving a talk at Margate Library on Thursday 2 September at 6.30pm until 7.30pm. She will talk about her book the The Realm of Shells and the research that she did for it. The event is free but tickets are essential due to space. Tickets available from Margate Library, telephone 01843 223626.

The narrator of Sonia’s second novel, The Realm of Shells, is Fanny Newlove, a young girl who moves to Margate with her family in 1835. The discovery of an underground shell grotto in their new back garden is a catalyst for the unravelling of Fanny's world, as childhood secrets are replaced by adult intrigues and ruthless profiteering. Although a fictional account, the book includes many facts about the story of Margate’s Shell Grotto.

As well as being an author and teacher of creative writing, Sonia Overall has a ‘secret life’ as a street performer and musician. See her website for more information: http://soniaoverall.net/.

For further information please contact Margate Library or Jane Bex on 01843 223626

Service of Commemoration Pilot Officer John L Allen DFC

2010-07-19T14:24:00.007+01:00

A Service of Commemoration and Thanksgiving
for the Life of
Pilot Officer John Lawrence Allen DFC
(1916 – 24/7/40)
Saturday, 24th July 2010

2.30pm
Canterbury Christ Church University
Broadstairs Campus
Northwood Road
Broadstairs
CT10 2WA

ALL WELCOME
Tel 01843 609120 for further information

The University’s Chaplain, Revd Dr Jeremy Law will conduct the service to honour John L Allen, in the courtyard of the Broadstairs Campus at 2.30pm on Saturday 24th July. All are welcome to attend and join together in the service of remembrance. Refreshments will follow in the Allen building where attendees will be able to view a small display of documents on John Allen’s life as a WW II pilot. Pilot Officer John L Allen DFC, who has a University building at the Broadstairs Campus named after him,flew with the 54 Squadron and received his DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross) from King George VI only a few weeks before his death. He is also credited with the 54 Squadrons first claim of the war when he shot down a Ju88 in the Dunkirk area on 21st May 1940.
John L Allen’s Spitfire was the first RAF aircraft brought down in Thanet during the Battle of Britain, when on 24th July 1940, at the age of 24 he died when his plane stalled and crash landed into a substation in. Omer Avenue Cliftonville. He was attempting to reach RAF Manston after his Spitfire R6812 had suffered engine damage during combat with a ME 109, flown by renowned German fighter pilot Adolf Galland.
He is buried in a Commonwealth War Grave in Margate Cemetery. His funeral was reported in the Isle of Thanet Gazette on August 4th 1940, which also recorded funerals on the same day of another RAF pilot plus a German pilot, saying: “All three were buried with the homage due to gallant young men”.
Along with many others, John L Allen’s name can also be seen on the “The Battle of Britain Monument London”, first unveiled by Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall on the 18th September 2005. This memorial was built to recognise one of the key battles of World War II and to raise the awareness of its importance amongst subsequent generations.
The Broadstairs Campus will also host a public lecture on Thursday 7th October 2010 on the subject of the Battle of Britain. Military historian Mr Richard C Smith will discuss ‘Memories of the Battle of Britain’, which will include events over the Thanet skies during the Second World War and the role of RAF Manston.
The lecture will take place at the Canterbury Christ Church University’s Broadstairs Campus, Northwood Road, Broadstairs, CT10 2WA. It will start at 6pm and is open to all members of the public. Booking is required in advance.
To book a place and seek or to provide further information about John L Allen DFC
please contact Sharon Quy-Verlander Tel 01843 609120.

Thank you to all.

2010-04-24T12:52:00.002+01:00

Neptune Square from the air.

To all readers of this blog, I would like to thank those of you able to get to the AGM last week, a great time was had by all. Specific thanks go to Mariette, who at the last moment stepped in a helped with the Tea, Coffee and those great cakes. Thanks to Ian at Angelas Cafe for Making the Cakes, we must have some more soon. (Angela's Cafe is on The Parade next to Cafe G, for those of you wou may like some sooner)..

Thanks to the Margate Media Centre for the room and the IT link, also to Derek Harding of the Margate Renewal Partnership for supporting the work of the Margate Historical Society. Thanks to Tony Ovenden for showing us all how to get to see the great Blogs about Margate and to look at films on YouTube.

All the officers of the Society were elected unanimously and we all look forward to more events and meetings to follow. Watch this space for more dates.

A big thanks to the family of Mrs Hilda Goodbody who lived in Margate from 1949 to 2000, who had the Post Office in Approach Road, Cliftonville till 1954. She was member of the Ladies Lifeboat Guild of Margate RNLI and continued till the 1990s.

She sadly passed away in 2004 and her son Tony has donated to the Society a collection of papers covering the Great Storm and the Day the Sea Froze. Thank you Tony we do appreciate it. Any member want to see any of these archive materials do contact me at the following email margate@tesco,net or call 01843 223300.

Margate Historical Society: AGM

2010-03-15T12:58:00.003Z

Please find below the AGM on the 16th April (Friday) at 2.30pm RSVP to Margatehistoricalsociety@yahoo.co.uk or margate@tesco.net

Margate Historical Society

AGM Friday 16th April 2010: 2.30pm

Margate Media Centre (Old Lloyds Bank Building)
King Street, Margate

2.30 Introductions and Welcome: Mick Twyman

2.35 Election of Officers for year April 2010;
Current Chairman John T Williams

Nominations have been received and duly seconded for the following posts:

CHAIRMAN: JOHN T WILLIAMS

SECRETARY &
TREASURER MICK TWYMAN

SENIOR ARCHIVIST ALF BEECHING

ADMINISTRATION &
IT LYNN JACKSON

(Note only members of the Historical Society are allowed to vote, please bring your membership cards with you if possible).

2.40 Chairman’s Thanks for Attending & Voting

2.45 Society’s Plans for the future: Mick Twyman

3.15 Introduction to the Internet Archive, this section will explain
the Society’s plan to load archive materials on to the internet so
that people further a field can enjoy the history of Margate and its
environs.

Questions and Answers:
a) about accessing the internet via the Library Service

3.30 Plans for smaller meetings in local areas.

4.00 Date of Next AGM 15th April 2010

Membership Forms will be available on the day.

Countess of Huntingdon & Zion Chapel Burial Ground

2010-03-09T08:39:00.002Z

Meeting arranged to discuss the future of the Countess of Huntingdon & Zion Chapel Burial Ground Margate.

Meeting 24th March 6-7 on St John's & Holy Trinity School.

Please attend, if you want to protect the Burial Ground

Margate Historical Society AGM

2010-03-02T14:30:00.003Z

Please note that the AGM will be on Friday 16th April at the Margate Media Centre (was Lloyds Bank), King Street, Old Town Margate. 2.30pm

All Welcome, please RSVP to margate@tesco.net

Elections of officers and a tour around the Margate History web presence.

Margate from Steve Freeman

2010-03-02T14:26:00.003Z

Margate in Pictures

Margate by Steve Freeman

2010-03-02T14:22:00.004Z

Have a look and tell us what you think of these

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Arlington Tower 1962

2010-02-11T16:03:00.001Z

Arlington Tower 1962
Originally uploaded by Pauls Images

An interesting view of this controversial tower.

Again many thanks to Pauls Images, please do not reproduce this image.

Station Green Margate

2010-02-11T16:01:00.001Z

Station Green Margate
Originally uploaded by Pauls Images

A rare glimpse of how that area used to look.

Many thanks to Pauls Images for allowing me to blog this. Please respect his request not to reproduce.

Membership Cards, Elections and AGM

2010-01-29T16:39:00.002Z

Good news, Membership cards are being designed and printed and will be sent out in March 2010 along with nomination papers for election of Officers for the Society.

AGM will be in April, venue and time will be notified at the same time.

If you would like to check if your subscription has arrived please call
01843 223300 (Admin).

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Lynn Jackson
Admin

St Johns Margate School Reunion

2010-01-29T16:31:00.002Z

http://stjohns1970.co.uk/default.aspx

I have been asked to post this as they are looking for anyone from the 1970's who attended.

Was it you?

In memory of Ann Barford

2010-01-11T18:42:00.004Z

Under the heading burial at the crossroads, this article by Mick Twyman and Alf Beeching from the Margate Historical Archives is about the tragic story of Ann Barford.

The loss of the "Hawksdale" 27th January 1899

2010-01-04T19:21:00.004Z

Another winters tale from the Maritime Margate archives published by the Margate Historical Society , this article written by Mick Twyman and Alf Beeching , tells the story of the loss of the "Hawksdale" in January 1899 and its cargo of 900 pianos during a all too familiar January storm.

The loss of Pilot Officer John Allen

2010-01-04T18:57:00.005Z

In reply to a enquiry about the spitfire that crashed into the sub station in Omar Avenue , Cliftonville , Margate during the Battle of Britain claiming the life of Pilot Officer John Allen. I have attached notes from John William's archive.

As you can see from reading the notes Pilot Officer John Allen was a true hero a eight victory ace who died for King and Country.

The Long Row 1895

2010-01-03T21:39:00.005Z

This story of determination and endurance of Margate boatmen took place in 1895, written and researched by Mick Twyman for the Margate Maritime archive. It is about the Margate Lifeboat "Quiver"and the crew of 14 under skipper Steve Clayson, who rowed a round journey of 80 miles to rescue the crew of the Norwegian Barquentine "Tvedstraved" only to abort the mission to find out later that the crew had been rescued by the Harwhich lifeboat.

Oh dear , Oh Lor , she's going over

2010-01-02T20:48:00.019Z

I have received a request for some information on the "Friend to all Nations" surf boat disaster on the morning of 2nd December 1897 claiming the lives of nine Margate men. Rather than send out the information I have posted it on the blog for all to share. The extractis froma article by Mick Twyman and Alf Beeching from the History of the Margate surf boats, Maritime Margate number two published by the Margate Historical Society 2002. Also included is the details of the Nayland Rock seafront statue and the monument at Margate cemetery on the lifeboatmen grave.

Margate Historical Society will be running in 2010

2009-12-26T06:58:00.003Z

Seasons Greetings to all followers of the Margate Historical Society. The result of the consultation of all past Members is that we will be resuming the Society in 2010.

We all here at the Society would like to thank all of you that have responded so positively and are planning an Annual General Meeting for April 2010 for elections; but hope to have a meeting in March for those of you able to attend, details will follow.

We are keen to have new Members and we would like you to mention to anyone you know of the restart and pass on contact details.

C/o 87 Trinity Square
Margate
CT9 1QD
01843 223300

I will be good meeting you in the New Year and would like to take the opportunity of wishing you a 'Happy and Safe New Year'

1930's Dreamland

2009-12-19T14:20:00.005Z

Like the previous articles, this article by Alf Beeching is about Margate in the 1930's. Taken fron the 2005 annual special it is about Dreamland Amusemant Park, soon hopefully to be reopened as a Heritage park.

That's entertainment - Leslie Fuller

2009-12-19T13:54:00.004Z

This article from the Margate Historical Archives is a fine example of quality research. Published in the Winter 2005 magazine Volume 2 No 4 by our research team of Alf Beeching, John Williams and Pat Adams , it is about Leslie Fuller comedian who lived in Margate and who appeared in a number of films produced by British International Pictures in the 1930's .

Margate Operatic Society by Pamela Brisley - Wilson

2009-12-19T13:23:00.005Z

This article for down loading was written by Pamela Brisley- Wilson for the Margate Historical Society archives and appeared in the January 2004 edition of Bygonne Margate Volume 7 No 1. Pamela as many of the older members of the society know, died early this year. Her articles were of special interest as they covered parts of Margate's History in the 1920's and 1930's in great detail, especially in the world of entertainment. This article I have reproduced is about some memories of her father and the Margate Operatic Society.

Days of Christmas Past

2009-12-15T13:21:00.002Z

Just found this lovely short clip from the BBC on Christmas' Past. Have a look and enjoy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8406446.stm

Model Lifeboatman

2009-11-29T13:54:00.004Z

On page 28 of the Isle of Thanet Gazette (27/11/09) there is a very interesting article on a Lifeboatman figurine. Following on from a previous article on the subject another figure has come to light and there is a suggestion that it may have been produced in conjunction with the memorial of the Nayland Surfboat disaster of 1897.
Some years ago over a period of time I found three lead lifeboat figure with my metal detector at three different locations following the storm of 1978. All of a different design and manufacture but in the same pose as the Nayland memorial but none had the cork life jacket similar to the Nayland Rock memorial. One was produced by W.Britain the famous lead toy manufacturer and following research was found to be sold from a gift shop at Buenos Ayres in Margate many years after the surfboat disaster. The design was a classic lifeboat man in oilskins and sou'wester but no lifejacket which is the only clue to dated the figure .
The one featured in the article does have a later version lifejacket, which is a pointer that it may be associated with the Rye lifeboat disaster of 15th November 1928 in which 17 lifeboat men lost their lives. Bearing in mind that all lifeboat men are"brothers" at heart, members of the Margate and Ramsgate crews would have attended the funerals and memorial services, and I believe they would have brought something back from Rye as memento. The figure featured in the Gazette could be one such momento. Well worth further research.

Tony Beachcomber

A Policeman's Lot Part One.

2009-11-28T12:49:00.000Z

A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO 'A POLICEMAN'S LOT' - PROBLEMS IN MARGATE'S FORCE.
BY MICK TWYMAN, RESEARCH BY ALF BEECHING.

In our continuing efforts to bring you, the reader, fresh and interesting material, Alf and myself always strive to tread the research paths ignored by others. As part of our plans for this year, we decided to look at the 150th anniversary of the Borough of Margate and Alf, in his usual lucky fashion, stumbled upon a goldmine at the Whitfield Archive by finding minutes from that period.

Those concerning the early years of the Borough Police Force are simply priceless, as they detail not the routine operation, but the aftermath of things that went wrong. What they disclose is a Force beset with problems of all kinds - indiscipline, inefficiency, dishonesty and drunkenness - which permeated the whole set up. Despite the seriousness of what transpired within the Force, there is humour in some of the situations disclosed. The formation of the Borough Force was expected to herald a new dawn for the town, but just bear in mind as you read of the many shortcomings of the early Borough Police that they were arresting people and giving evidence on oath in Court. However, just to set the scene for you on what has become a bit of a saga, let us take you back to the very last days of the Town Police Force and see just why better things were hoped for!

For December the 29th, 1857, we find the following. 'Superintendent of Police, Mr. Marchant, after a service of twenty years, has been compelled to resign his post, and Police Constable Shelvey has been appointed temporarily in his place'. The reason for this unfortunate state of affairs is explained by the following from the 12th of January. 'The report of the Police Committee made mention of the resignation of Superintendent Marchant and the appointment of Constable Shelvey; pro tem and as it was uncertain when the Local Board would merge into the Town Council it recommended that the Board advertise for candidates for the Superintendent's situation. The Board then discussed the question of at once advertising for a Superintendent. Mr. Keble opposed and severely animadverted on the conduct of the Police Committee, who constantly allowed the most flagrant dereliction of duty on the part of the Superintendent and Constables to pass censure, when it was manifest to every inhabitant that they (the Police) were totally incompetent in the performance of their duties. The Board ultimately agreed to postpone the question for two months, Constable Shelvey to act in the interim at £2 per week. On Friday the Watch Committee met at the Town Hall for the purpose of electing a new Superintendent of Police rendered vacant by the resignation'. And from the Kentish Gazette of the 25th of April, 1858, comes the following optimistic piece. 'We are glad to hear such satisfaction expressed upon the improved state of our Police Force under the new Superintendent, Mr. Saunders, and we hope that 'ere long it will be a credit to the Watch Committee and of considerable value to the town'. As the old saying goes, 'Hope springs eternal'!

'A POLICEMAN'S LOT',
BY MICK TWYMAN WITH RESEARCH BY ALF BEECHlNG.

This year marks the 150th anniversary of Margate's elevation to Borough status, and it was whilst researching that event for us at Whitfield Archive for an article on the subject that Alf had access to some very early Council minutes, which contained many rather choice tit-bits relating to the Borough Police Force. In common with many other fledgling forces the Margate one had some teething troubles and it would appear that a few of its recruits were not quite the acceptable face of the Law that the Borough might have wished for. So here are is a little insight into the early days of the town's 'Boys in Blue', which will both interest and amuse the reader as well as showing why that august body known as the Watch Committee, much ridiculed and maligned in the later years of its existence before modern times saw its demise, was very necessary in the 19th century.

The first entry in the Watch Committee ledger is dated the 26th of March, 1858 and is revealing inasmuch as it is an authorisation for Superintendent Henry Saunders to receive weekly at the Bank the sums now listed for the Police wages account. It would seem that at that date, the Borough still ran with its original Town Police Force of a Superintendent at £1.18s 0d per week, one Sergeant at £1.5s 0d, and four Constables and one Supernumerary at £1 each. Superintendent Saunders was an ex-Metropolitan Policeman of 16 year's experience and he would have been well-used to the ups and downs of Police life, but whether or not that made him any better suited for the experiences he would have here seems doubtful. He was required to present the wage list weekly to the Mayor for his personal signature in his role as Chairman of the Watch Committee.

Also in that first minute was an order to the Superintendent that he station one of his Constables outside Trinity Church each Sunday between 7 and 8pm, to 'preserve order among unruly boys' and an item concerning the Police uniform, 'Resolved that the Council be recommended to procure a button die for the Police and that the device in such die will be the Arms of the Borough surrounded by the words 'BOROUGH OF MARGA TE'.

On the 29th of March the matter of uniform came up again. 'Ordered that the Sergeant's dress coat have two buttons on each cuff and two stripes on the right arm. That the cuffs on Police Constables be without ornamental buttons. That the collars of the Constables and Sergeant have the same badge as at present in Worsted Lace. That the Superintendent's coat be a Frock Coat. That all the hats be the same as the Metropolitan Police. That the Great Coats in future be without pout pockets. That newer and smaller capes be recommended for the use of the Police Constables'.

It would seem that once the lads had their shiny new buttons some of them were not averse to throwing their weight about just a little and it is plain in the instance about to be recounted that their judgement could at times be faulty. Given that the recruits for the new Borough Police were drawn from the local population, it is perhaps not too surprising that there seem to have been occasions when old personal enmities came to the fore and the chance to settle a score presented itself.

That could possibly have been the case in April, 1858, when a minute of the 12th records the following – ‘A complaint was made in writing by the Superintendent, in obedience to the instructions of the Magistrates, against P .C. Edward Young and P .C. Aaron Solly for hastily having seized a horse and cart and two sacks of Malt and taken the driver, Edmund Lawrence, into custody who, after two remands, was discharged by the Magistrates. After investigating the above complaint and hearing the statement and explanations of the Constables and Superintendent, it was moved and seconded that the consideration of the complaint be adjourned - carried. It was moved that the services of William Hobday be dispensed with after Saturday next'.

I believe that Hobday was the Supernumerary Constable mentioned previously. What are we to make of the situation regarding Young and Solly? It is clear that the Magistrates (who were also heavily represented on the Watch Committee) had no faith in the story as told by the two Constables, or in the ability or desire of their Superintendent to deal with the matter fairly. To have to order him to lodge a written complaint against his own men would seem a very serious step and here is that written complaint verbatim. "Gentlemen, I beg to report that on the 26th ultimo. Police Constables Edward Young and Aaron Solly brought a man named Edmund, Lawrence into custody to the Police Station and charged him on suspicion of having stolen Malt in his possession. He was taken before T. Blackburn and W. J. Gilder, Esqrs, the sitting Magistrates, who remanded him until the 27th ultimo. He was defended by Mr. Towne, Solicitor, and further remanded until the 30th ultimo and then discharged; there not being sufficient evidence to substantiate the above charge. The Magistrates severely censured the Constables for the manner in which they had acted in apprehending the man without sufficient grounds for so doing, and directed that a report of the case should be made to the Watch Committee. Signed Henry Saunders Superintendent". It would appear that following an adjournment this affair was simply 'swept under the carpet', as it is not mentioned again.

A minute of the 31st of May addressed a subject which would become a recurrent theme running through the Minute Book, that of alcohol. 'Ordered - That the visiting of Public Houses on Sunday for the purpose of ascertaining that they are closed to be confined to the Superintendent and Sergeant of Police'. A clearer indication that there was little faith in the sobriety of the Constables it would be hard to find, especially as this minute continues thus: - 'Ordered - That the Superintendent be directed to inform the Constables that a report to the Watch Committee of any of them being found in a Public House, will be followed by instant dismissal, except on duty'.

Right on cue a minute of the 28th of June found a Constable in trouble. This time there was no excuse for inaction on the part of Superintendent Saunders, who had the miscreant bang to rights. 'Superintendent Saunders handed in the following report relating to Police Constable Richard Crump, whom he had found drunk when coming off duty and stated that he was one of his best men, orderly and cleanly and that he had never seen him under the influence of Liquor before. - P .C. Crump stated, "On Monday was off duty. It was my birthday, I drank some ale with my friends, served some notices, drank some Gin, being unwell it overcame me, I did not go into a Public House".

Suspended for a fortnight (after an admonition from the Mayor) and ordered to bring in his clothing'. Despite the Superintendent's glowing testimonial as to the sterling qualities of his Constable, Crump was obviously a man who had a serious drink problem. Returned to duty after his suspension for the June incident, he was nevertheless back on the carpet before the Superintendent and Watch Committee in the November, as this minute of the 3rd relates. 'Committee met to investigate the charges against Police Constable Richard Crump for drunkenness and also disobedience of orders, which charges were entered in the Report Book and dated ' respectively the 2nd and 3rd inst. Police Constable Crump was called in and the entries in the Report Book having been read to him and having been asked what he had to say respecting the same, he replied that, "He had nothing more to say, than he beg leave to resign". It was moved and carried unanimously that the resignation of Police Constable Crump be accepted, and that his services immediately cease'.

Returning to the 20th of September, 1858, we find a most informative minute regarding the enlargement of the Borough Police by the addition of another Sergeant and four Constables. There were a total of 26 applications for the posts on offer. There were 6 applicants for the Sergeant's positions, the names of which follow: - Stephen Gibbs, Edward Young, Richard Crump, Edward Hogbin, Henry Hayward and Aaron Solly. Given the histories of Young, Crump and Solly their applications must have been made in hope, rather than expectation and in the end it was Stephen Gibbs who triumphed. As for the Constable's positions the applicants comprised:- Richard Ridnell, Michael Harlow, William Hobday, Richard Tritton, Charles Fegen, Joseph Hill, John Impett, Francis Cobb, John Palmer, Edward Saunders, Edward Hurst, William Sawyer, William Maxted, Henry Charrison, James Griggs, John Mills, Alfred Philpott, Henry Sturgess and Edward Mirams. Given subsequent events, we have to wonder just what the precepts for selection were, but the list was finally whittled down to four:- John Ridnell, Michael Harlow, John Mills and William Hobday, the dismissed Supernumerary Constable who now had a permanent position.

A minute of the 7th of March, 1859, tells us that Sergeants Gibbs and Shelvey had been awarded a 10/- gratuity each for 'vigilance and activity in detecting the perpetrators of a burglary at the house of Mr. Watson, in St. John's Road'. What this minute also infers is that Sergeant Shelvey was the original holder of that position. Following on the heels of that minute came one of March the 21st, in which our old friend Police Constable Young was reported by Councillor Chambers for allowing night soil (the contents of the chamber pot) to be deposited near Vicarage Place on the 15th and failing to report the incident in the Station Occurrence Book. On being questioned, Young denied it was night soil, claiming instead that it was dry ashes and that it had gone to the Brickfield. He was admonished to log such occurrences properly in future. And in the same minute Police Constable Alfred Douglas was the subject of a complaint of improper conduct by Alderman Mercer, during an incident when the officer had ordered him to move on when he was engaged in talking to two other gentlemen in the High Street. Douglas denied the charge and claimed he had spoken respectfully, and the incident was eventually smoothed over.

An entry in the Minute Book for the 4th of April, 1859, shows that it was not just Police Constable Young who was negligent in making correct reports regarding incidents. The same Councillor Chambers who had reported Constable Young for the 'night soil' incident also accused Constable John Mills of failing in his duty as far as the making of reports went. Mills was hauled over the coals when he was brought before the Watch Committee and reprimanded, he promising to be more correct in his reports in future. And speaking of Constable Young, who appears to have had the escapology skills of Houdini in dodging dismissal for his sadly lacking behaviour, he was in trouble again on the 4th of April. 'Superintendent Henry Saunders reported Police Constable Young for being in front of the Bar of the Brewer's Arms Public House on the 25th of March at 7.10pm while on duty - fined 2/6 and reprimanded informing him that he would be suspended for the next offence and probably discharged for the third'. It doesn't seem to have worried Young a great deal as a minute of the 15th of June reads thus: - 'Police Constable Edward Young having been reported by the Superintendent Henry Saunders to have been under the influence of drink at 6.30pm. On the 14th inst. it was resolved that he be suspended for a week'. Shades of the boozy Constable Crump in the story of Constable Young, who seems to have been completely useless, if a great survivor. And the name of Crump reared its head again in that minute of the 15th of June. 'Ordered - That the hats and boots worn by the late Police Constable Crump be given to him as they cannot be worn by any other Constable'. As strange as this may seem, Crump appears from another minute to have put himself forward for a job with the Fire Brigade, so the gear would have been very handy!

We tend to think that yobbish behaviour is a manifestation of modem times, but it has, of course, always been with us. That fact is illustrated by a minute of the 25th of July which indicates that even the 'Kings' of Margate were upset by the bad attitude of some of their 'subjects'. - 'Received a letter signed by Francis Cobb, Esq. and other householders of King Street, complaining of a nuisance committed by persons at the top of the court opposite Number 2, King Street, such as insulting the inhabitants and passers by and assembling on the footway. It was moved that the Superintendent's special attention be directed to the suppressing of the nuisance in King Street complained of as above'. As there seems to be no follow-on from this minute, we must assume that the Police did indeed move swiftly to stop the nuisance, a far cry from the situation of today when it is not the behaviour which is so different, but the will of authority to stamp on it!

Moving on to the September of 1859, a minute of the 19th sees the hopeless Constable Young in trouble yet again. 'Police Constable Edward Young reported by the Superintendent for being asleep while on duty at 2.30am. On the 13th of September inst. Ordered that Constable Edward Young attend the next meeting of the Watch Committee'. He did attend and was admonished for sleeping while on duty and fined 2/6. In that same minute of the 19th Constable Ridnell was in trouble which should have cost him his job, given the disciplinary guidelines laid down previously, but like Young he seemed to lead a charmed existence. 'The Superintendent reported Police Constable Ridnell for drinking a glass of beer at the London Tavern at 10.45pm. While on duty on the 13th inst. - cautioned to be more careful in the future'. What on earth were they telling him, that it was alright to have a drink in defiance of orders but that he mustn't get caught?

It is obvious that the enforcement of discipline in the Borough Police Force was nowhere near as strict as it should have been and despite the obvious failings of its Superintendent the Watch Committee must shoulder a lot of the blame for that. After all, it is no use laying down disciplinary guidelines unless they are enforced rigorously, but just look at the record of Police Constable Young as an example. It is not unfair to say that he was a total liability, yet he hung onto his job. And you have to ask yourself just what effect it had on public respect for the Force when a large proportion of its Constables regularly went about half-cut and slept on the job?

Superintendent Saunders did not have a large force under his command, and even given his other responsibilities with the town's Fire Brigade the situation should have been brought under tight control. But far from that being the case, things got steadily more chaotic and the first ten years of the existence of the Borough Police highlight far too many problems of drunkenness, inefficiency and lack of discipline. With hindsight, it is obvious that Superintendent Saunders was not really up to his task, and by the time 1867 rolled along that had become all too plain as events moved to their logical conclusion, but for now we shall return to the records of 1859 and pick up on the stories of just what our heroes were up to in those now far off times.

As the old song says, 'A Policeman's Lot Is Not A Happy One' and we have seen that was often very true, but one of the Watch Committee minutes for 1859 records an incident which comes across as highly amusing now, although I doubt that the unfortunate participants thought it quite so funny at the time. So step back with us now to the November of that year and read of the woes of Police Constable John Mills, who must have been wondering just what he had done to deserve such a special treat. Superintendent Saunders sets the scene for us in this minute of the 16th. 'I beg to report that on the 15th inst. I went in the company of Mr. Reeves, Sanitary Inspector, to a Slaughter House in King Street, belonging to Mr. Richards, and there found the carcass of a dead Bullock in a very decomposed state, which was seized by Mr. Reeves. Police Constable John Mills was placed in charge of it and directed by Mr. Reeves and myself to see It conveyed to the Town Yard and there to be deposited for the inspection of the Magistrates. About 7.30pm.

Police Constable Mills returned and stated that he had lost possession of the Bullock. That they had stopped on the hill in Mill Lane to give the horse a blow and he had walked on to open the gates for them, during which time they had escaped with the cart and contents. Police Constable Alfred Douglas had been previously sent to Police Constable Mills at the Town Yard to tell him to shoot the contents of the cart in the yard and return with it to take the remaining portion of the Bullock from the Slaughter House to the yard. The Constables went in search of Mr. Reeves, during which time the parties had returned to King Street and removed the whole, which was afterwards traced by Police Constable Douglas to a stable in Mr. Hudson's premises, in Long Mill Lane. The case was brought before the Mayor and Bench of Magistrates on the 16th inst., who considered there had been great carelessness on the part of Police Constable John Mills, and considered it necessary to suspend him from duty for a month'. Given the astonishing leeway given to the awful antics of Constable Young, it seems that poor old Mills must have embarrassed the wrong people, for a minute of the 17th records the fact that not only was he admonished for 'mislaying' the Bullock and suspended for a month for 'neglecting his duty', but that he was also warned that in the instance of any further complaint he would be dismissed the Force!

A rather amazing feature of this bizarre incident is that they had actually carted one half of a stinking, decomposing and probably maggot-ridden Bullock from King Street, up the High Street to Mill Lane in order to get it to the Town Yard, and it was a mercy that it was November and not August when a swarm of flies would have accompanied the cart! What a duty to draw for poor old Mills and our sympathies must lie with him in what would have made a good script for a scene in a 'Carry On' film, but the villains had run rings around him and now he was suspended without pay. But before we get carried away with ourselves about Mills' rotten luck (and rotten is the right word in this instance!), he almost certainly had another source of income, as we shall see shortly when we come across him again, and a paragon of virtue he wasn't! And as for the Bullock, by the time they had finished bickering about it the thing was too far gone to move again, so it was buried where it lay!

A minute of the 2nd of April, 1860, reminds us that the Policemen were out in all weathers. 'Resolved unanimously that a discretionary power be given to the Superintendent to relieve Police Constable Solly from his duty for a week, or if necessary a fortnight, to enable him to recruit his health, it having been mentioned that Police Constable Solly was suffering from Lung disease, in consideration of his long service'. It is plain from this minute that Police Constable Solly was one of the men absorbed into the new Borough Police Force from the old Town Constabulary, and Lung disease, whether of a Bronchial nature from exposure to the elements or from a Tubercular source, would have been very common in those days. And at the close of April, a minute of the 30th records that there had been some talk about the Policemen's silver buttons based, one suspects, on cost grounds. 'The Committee recommends that black braid and black buttons be substituted for the present silver and bright buttons on the Superintendent's coat, and that dark buttons of a larger size be used in place of the bright ones on the Constable's great coats'.

And the 16th of May saw the name of Police Constable John Ridnell brought to the fore again. He seems to have been a man with a sharp tongue who was not afraid to assert his authority, much to the resentment of some of the townspeople, and yet again the Superintendent was forced to give a glowing testimonial of one of his men. 'A letter was read from Miss Eliza Peal, Number 8, Lower Marine Terrace, complaining of violent and abusive conduct and language on the part of Police Constable John Ridnell. The case was investigated and, it appearing that Ridnell had, to a certain extent, lost his temper and used inappropriate terms, he was admonished to be more guarded for his conduct in the future, the Superintendent having reported favourably on his general conductor Ridnell must have breathed a sigh of relief, but on the 28th of May, in a minute recording that the Police had been requested by the Pier & Harbour Company to add the Pier and Jetty to the Station and Fort patrol beats respectively, his name appears again in a complaint by Mr. Rapson, Tailor. ‘A complaint was read of Mr. Rapson's that Police Constable Ridnell had acted arbitrarily in ordering a customer of his to remove his cart, which was causing an obstruction. This was considered and it appeared that the cart had been left unattended from half-past 7pm until 9pm. It was resolved unanimously that Police Constable Ridnell had not exceeded his duty'.

A protracted battle for Superintendent Saunders, which he appears to have failed to take seriously initially, began on the 7th of August, 1860, as the following minute records. 'A letter from Miss Plummer respecting the stand for Bath Chairs on The Fort referred to the Committee was considered. Resolved unanimously - that a stand for Bath Chairs be permitted at the South End of Fort Paragon, facing Zion Place'. But the Bath Chair operators obviously preferred their old stand opposite the Fort Lodge Hotel, in front of the green, as this minute of nearly 6 weeks later indicated on the 17th of September. 'The attention of the Superintendent of Police was called to the Bath Chairs continuing to stand in front of Miss Plummer's house, and he was instructed to use his efforts to remove them'. Another fortnight passed and the Watch Committee were a bit cross with Saunders, as this minute of the 1st of October tells us. 'Resolved unanimously - that the Superintendent of Police be instructed to use his best exertions to remove the stand for Bath Chairs from the front of Aldby Place to the neighbourhood of the Pump, behind Thome House and facing the "Rose in June" public house'. It would seem that the residents of Fort Paragon were no keener to have the Bath Chairs than Miss Plummer, and the decision had been taken to site the stand out of view in Trinity Square, which cannot have greatly pleased their operators!

We now return to that illustrious name featured with Police Constable Solly (he of the diseased Lungs) in that minute of April the 12th, 1858, and one that seems to have been omnipresent thereafter, that of Police Constable Edward Young. It will be recalled that the Superintendent had then been forced to write a complaint about the behaviour of these 2 Constables, and a minute of the 13th of October, 1860 saw Young back in the picture. 'A complaint having been made to the Committee that Police Constable Young had been found intoxicated on duty, he was called in and examined and, there being some extenuating circumstances, he was admonished and warned that for the next offence he would, in all likelihood, be dismissed the Force'. Yet just a few months later Young was at it again! A minute of the 23rd of January, 1861, reads as follows, 'The report of Superintendent Saunders that Police Constable Young was guilty of drunkenness and cadging on the 27th of December last was considered. Resolved - That Police Constable Young be suspended for one month and reprimanded'.

We now move to the 22nd of April, 1861, to meet an old friend! 'I beg to report that on the 17th inst. a Prostitute, named Jane Cock, was apprehended by Police Constable John Ridnell and charged with stealing from a sailor, named Henry Waller, a purse containing £3 in gold and some silver. At the Station House a note was found on her, written and addressed to her by Police Constable John Mills. The above named Jane Cock now stands committed to take her trial at the next Dover Sessions. I questioned the Constable as to his acquaintance with her, and he did not deny knowing her but said that he did not know she was a Prostitute, but was aware that she was a Gay Girl. From enquiries made in the neighbourhood of King Street, I find that Police Constable Mills has been acquainted with her for upwards of 12 months. Signed, Superintendent Henry Saunders. It was resolved that Police Constable Mills be dismissed the Force'. It would seem that there may have been a little enmity between Mills and Ridnell, who would have been well aware of the liaison between Mills and Jane Cock, and if that was indeed the case then Mills did not have long to wait to see the bumptious Ridnell in trouble!

On the 19th of August, 1861, Superintendent Saunders was back before the Watch Committee with more bad news for them to digest, and it would seem that his previous defence of the attitude of Constable Ridnell was now haunting him. 'It was made known to the Committee that Police Constables John Ridnell and Thomas Jarman have been served with notices of action to be tried in the County Court on the 26th of August, the claims in each case for trespass and false imprisonment are £24.14s.8d. Plaintiff William Wales, Bath Road, Beer Seller, Plaintiff's Attorney J. Towne. And inasmuch as the Committee believe and are of the opinion that they only exercised their proper duty according to their judgement, when requested by the Complainant, Frederick Stickells, and finding in the Police Clauses Act:- Clause 9, Cap. 89 of the 10th/11th Victoria - power to defend any Constable in the execution of his duty, we urgently recommend the same to the notice of the Council, trusting they will grant to the Watch Committee funds sufficient for legal aid and protection in these actions'. Brave words from the Superintendent, and they served their purpose as funds to provide legal aid were forthcoming, but the outcome was a disaster as the next minute from the Committee of the 31st of August details. 'Gentlemen, Wales versus Ridnell and another. I am desired by the Superintendent to report to you the resolution in this case, which was tried at Ramsgate on Tuesday last before Mr. Harwood and a Jury. By arrangement Mr. Gore appeared with me for the defence, and supported by argument the legal objection I took to the, absence of any notice of the action. This objection, however, was overruled by the Judge and then addressed the Jury in mitigation of damages, who formed a verdict for the Plaintiff with damages of £ 10. Before the rising of the Court notice of appeal was given and I have every confidence that if the appeal were carried out it would be successful. Yours, Herring'.

This optimism was totally misplaced. Fortunately, wiser heads prevailed and the advice of a legal expert, Mr. Poland was sought. A minute of the 4th of September reads thus: - ' The opinion of Mr. Poland relative to the appeal in the case of Wales versus Ridnell and Jarman having been received it was resolved - That it is inexpedient to proceed further in the matter but that the costs of the proceedings already incurred be paid out of the Borough Fund, subject to the approval of the Council, James Standring, Mayor'. A subsequent minute of the 16th read as follows:- 'The Mayor reported that he had reported the amount of fine and costs incurred in the case of Wales versus Ridnell and Jarman at the last meeting of the Council, and that the Council had ordered the sum amounting to £21. 1s. 4d. to be paid forthwith'. And there was another entry for that same date regarding the behaviour of Police Constable Everett. 'The Superintendent reported that Police Constable Everett had absented himself from his beat for three-quarters of an hour, and was found asleep and drunk although he had charge of the Police Station which had at the time three prisoners in it. Resolved - That Police Constable Everett be suspended for one week and cautioned against a recurrence of delinquency under pain of dismissal from the Force'.

A minute of the 26th of May, 1862, told of trouble with donkey handlers. 'A letter was received from residents of Upper and Lower Marine Terrace, "complaining of the Donkey Stand near the Iron Bridge and the language used by the boys and other persons in charge of them, and infringement of the Bye-Laws by persons driving, barrows on the footpath in that neighbourhood, to the great inconvenience of Residents and passers by. It was Resolved that the Superintendent of Police be instructed to attend to the same, and as far as possible prevent any breach of the Bye-Laws'. A minute of the 9th of June details the rather half-hearted response by authority:- 'Resolved unanimously - That the Borough Surveyor place a black painted line on the walls of the road under the Iron Bridge, .as decided upon, such line being the limits above which the Donkey Stand will not be allowed. It is hard to see what effect this would have had on the bad language complained of, or on the speeding barrow-boys terrorising pedestrians, but black line it was!

After a Boatman named William Jarrett had lost his life while attempting to land at the Jetty from a lugger, due to the apparent removal of a portion of the deck planking, a minute of the 30th of November, 1863, seems to apportion part of the blame to the Police. 'The Committee directed the Superintendent to desire the Police when they observed any place in a condition likely to prove dangerous to life or limb to call the attention of the proper parties to it, and requests them to provide a sufficient protection for the Public'. Presumably, part of the deck was under repair and somebody had removed the barriers without the Police raising the issue. Given the fact that the Pier & Harbour Company had a permanent staff of some size, and its own Policemen, this criticism would seem a little misplaced.

1864 saw two escapes of prisoners from the stalwarts under the command of Saunders. One of the 15th of August saw two of them apparently outwitted by a shrewd lady. 'The report of Superintendent Saunders of the escape of Mrs. Chandler, taken on a Warrant for attempting to murder her husband, having been read, and it appearing to the Committee that Constables Hobday and Horn had been neglectful of their duty, it was resolved that they, under the particular circumstances of the case, be only admonished by the Chairman and warned to be more careful in the future. The Superintendent to endeavour to procure the recapture of the said Mrs. Chandler'. And that December saw the lads lose another prisoner, as this minute of the 12th informs us. 'Superintendent Saunders reported that Robert Vanheer, the prisoner on remand for burglary at Mr. Robinson's, affected his escape from the cells. It was resolved that the Superintendent be instructed to offer a reward for the apprehension of the prisoner'. For once, it doesn't seem to have been the fault of the Police Officers but rather the builders, constrained no doubt by lack of funding, as usual. 'In reference to the report of the Superintendent of Police upon the escape of the prisoner, Vanheer, from the Police Cells, it does not appear to the Watch Committee on investigation that any blame is to be attached to the Police, but the Committee are of the opinion that the construction of the iron bars over the cells very much conduced to the prisoner's escape. Such fault has since been remedied by order of this Committee'.

Another mundane entry relating to boots appeared on the 22nd of May, 1865. 'An application was received from the late Police Constable Harty that he might be allowed to retain his boots - Application granted'. And on the 5th of March, 1866, we find a rather telling indication of things to come in a minute which records that Councillor Osborne had been delegated by the Watch Committee to visit the Police Station, presumably with the intention of keeping an eye on things there and, hopefully, to spark a little respect and discipline, which seems to have been lacking. Also in that same minute, it was recorded that Superintendent Saunders had been appointed as Inspector of Common Lodging Houses, and that he report to the Watch Committee those used by Tramps and Travellers, he to use his judgement in deciding which fell within that category. And if 1864, 1865 and 1866 had been reasonably quiet and well-behaved, the long-overdue bursting of the bubble of the many years of indiscipline was ready to take place, and 1867 was the year it happened!

In February, 1867, it was the Superintendent on the carpet before the Watch Committee, and although the minute of the 18th is not specific, I rather fancy that the incident referred to stems from Saunders inspecting one of those 'Common Lodging Houses' and being a little indelicate in the choice of his words. 'A letter from H. B. Harrison, Esq., complaining of the Police Superintendent having insulted Mrs. Harrison having been read at the meeting of the 11th, a Deputation was appointed to wait upon Mr. Harrison and enquire. The Mayor reported that the Deputation had waited upon the Complainant, and that from conversation with him they felt that moral doubt existed that the lady had been unduly treated by the Superintendent'. That seems to clearly exonerate Saunders, but you get the feeling that he had outstayed his welcome here, as the rider to the minute indicates. 'Resolved - That the Superintendent be informed of the same and severely reprimanded and cautioned that upon occurrence again of any act calculated to weaken his influence, he will probably be called upon to resign'. A bit of hypocrisy here, isn't there? Found innocent for the public consumption and castigated severely behind the scenes, Saunders had almost certainly been a bit intemperate with his language - perhaps he had learned it from Police Constable Ridnell! And this incident can only further have weakened his already fragile grip on discipline and, no doubt, on his own perception of his future prospects here.

By September of that year the disciplinary code appears to have been in a state of collapse. A minute of the 24th of September is a litany of drunkenness and indiscipline. 'Several complaints having been received of the inefficiency of the Police Force - Police Constable Harlow complained of for allowing a person given into his custody (at the Hall-by-the-Sea during a disturbance) on the night of Saturday the 21st inst. to escape. The same Constable charged with being found asleep at the Police Station while in charge on the morning of Sunday the 22nd inst. The same Constable charged with refusing to go to the assistance of a well-dressed man reported to be drunk and helpless with considerable property about his person, found by the Coastguard at 2.30am. Sunday the 22nd inst. and reported at the Station to Police Constable Harlow and Police Constable Douglas to be lying on the grass at Buenos Ayres covered with the awning of their boat, where he remained until further application at 9.30am when Sergeant Shelvey found him insensible and brought him to the Police Station - Police Constable Harlow to be suspended for one month'. Quite a shocking state of affairs, wasn't it? Police Constable Douglas was charged with the same offence, same time, same place and he too was suspended for a month. Two Constables down, and it got even worse!

'Police Constable Everett charged with being asleep in the Station with Harlow on the morning of Sunday and being generally deficient in the requisites of a Policeman - Resigned, with leave to remain a month to suit himself. What a wonderful situation to find themselves in! With two useless Constables suspended for a month the Watch Committee were now forced to offer an olive branch of sorts to another they had just castigated as being totally deficient as a Policeman! And that wasn't quite the end of the tale of woe either, as that minute of the 24th finished thus:- 'The Committee, having investigated the several complaints and heard a number of witnesses, is strongly of the opinion that there has not been much vigilant supervision and attention on the part of the Superintendent Saunders, as the Committee expect to find in the Chief of their Police, and unless there is a great improvement in the discipline and management of the Force he will be called upon to resign'.

Not much comfort there for Saunders, who must have realised the hopelessness of his situation, and it doesn't seem that his Constables cared much about either his future or their being suspended, as this minute of the 14th of October tells us. 'A report having been made that Police Constable Douglas was drunk on The Parade this morning at 6 o'clock, which report was confirmed by Police Constable Jarman, then acting as Sergeant, and who stated that Police Constable Harlow raised him from the ground and assisted in bringing him to the Station. Resolved - that Police Constable Douglas be asked to resign'. What an absolute shambles it had become, but there was even worse to follow for the town and it’s Police!

It had become clear that there was some trouble with the Police Superannuation Fund, which paid the pensions of retired officers, and that trouble went right to the top of the Force as the Superintendent himself appears to have been responsible for its accountancy. In the same minute of the 14th of October which saw the demise of Police Constable Douglas, we read the following: - 'Resolved - that the Sub-Committee appointed at the last meeting to investigate the deficiency in the Superannuation Fund are not being yet prepared with a report, this and the further complaint of a report of Misconduct against the Superintendent of Police be adjourned to a special meeting. Resolved - That Superintendent Saunders be desired to pay the Balance of the Superannuation Fund into the hands of the Treasurer forthwith'. So there it was, a clear-cut case of the town's Police Superintendent being caught red-handed with his fingers in the till! Perhaps he had despaired of things here and decided that he was owed a little gratuity, who can say? What we can tell the reader is that there was £25.17s.11d. missing, not much by today's standards but that figure then was a substantial amount and would have paid a lot of pensions.

Superintendent Saunders had done himself no favours with his own behaviour, and was obviously about to be shown the door, but the last item on that minute of the 14th of October is absolutely beyond belief in its banality, and you have to wonder ; exactly just what the Watch Committee were playing at. Having told Police Constable Everett that he was useless, and he having taken advantage of the option of that month's notice offered to him, the minute now confirmed that, '...he was to consider himself discharged at this time, and that the Superintendent be instructed to engage him as a Supernumerary temporarily'. So a man who was about to be sacked was forced to employ a man who just had been, the situation was completely unsatisfactory

By mid-November, 1867, the situation was lurching towards its inevitable climax. A minute of the 12th makes very gloomy reading: - 'Superintendent Saunders having reported that he had failed to obtain the money required to make up the deficiency in the Superannuation Fund, the report of the Sub-Committee upon the state of the Superannuation Fund was received and ordered to be entered in the minutes - Resolved that Superintendent Saunders be called upon forthwith to give three month's notice to resign his appointment as Inspector of Police'. That he did in a letter of the 25th. To close our tale, Police Constable Hobday is noted on the 12th of December as again being reprimanded for, being found intoxicated while on duty' - a fitting end to a sad decade!!

TO BE CONTINUED.

Great new Pictures donated by Kim Conway

2009-10-27T11:09:00.005Z

Today some pictures from Kim Conway a local Photographer herself, she has collected these postcards of Margate and is happy to share them with us all. The first is a view of the Marine Parade and now called The Piazza. The card was posted in 1909 and we just love the clothes of the period, Lovely Hats Ladies, and look into the Background what do you see?

The second is a more recent colour card posted in 1927 which shows that a view of Margate existed then too.

Coming Soon Pictures from Local Residents

2009-10-03T06:54:00.002+01:00

The first of many I hope, pictures donated for scanning onto the site from local residents collections. This will give us all something to smile about. Sad News Ramsgate Maritime Museum will be closing again after the failure of the Council to sign a new lease. Makes you wonder if Thanet wants or understands the importance of local independant History? What do you think?

Marine Drive:A Tale for Today?

2009-08-19T14:32:00.011+01:00

Today I will post the saga of Marine Drive, its building and its costs. A story with a modern twist.

A FINE NEW ROAD FOR VICTORIAN MARGATE - THE MARINE DRIVE SAGA. .
BY MICK TWYMAN, RESEARCH BY ALF BEECHING.

Over the years in the pages of Margate Historical Society Magazine have brought YOU many tales of the inefficiency of our municipal forefathers. Especially when they embarked on large-scale projects for which their lack of engineering expertise (compounded by their 'shopkeeper mentalities) made them ill suited. The story of the construction of Marine Drive is a classic case of fiscal mismanagement, and we will take the opportunity to highlight some of its less savoury aspects which have hitherto been ignored, as well as correcting a few errors made previously by others.

In 1878. the seafront road of Marine Terrace only communicated with the Harbour and Market Place areas (as far as vehicular traffic was concerned) by way of Marine Gardens and the High Street, and for pedestrians via Andrew's Passage, had long been a thorn in the side of the locals and visitors alike. As a result of endless carping and lobbying, the Council decided to get the Borough Surveyor to draw up plans for a new roadway to skirt the line of the sea frontage from the Marine Terrace right through to the end of The Parade. As well as the plans he was also charged with producing costings for the project involving the many buildings which would have to be purchased in order that things could proceed. As a lesson in just how inept the Council could be, We will turn the clock back a little to 1876. In Jan~ of that year it was recorded that Messrs. Gore had tendered to install wooden groynes in front of Marine Terrace, and a Mr. Taylor offered to reconstruct them in stone. Now. the Council thought that the Pier & Harbour Company had an obligation to bear some of the cost of this operation as they were under the impression that the existing stone groynes which were now in need of restoration had originally been installed by them. But this is where the small town shopkeeper mentality of the Council failed it yet again as, on checking things out, it was found that in 1837 when the groynes had been installed the Pier & Harbour Company, always astute and with an eye for business, had simply lent the stones to the Council and had not the slightest obligation, or intention. of putting any cash in the Council's way!

So obviously not having taken that lesson of superior acumen on board. the Council decided to press ahead with its grand design for a sweeping boulevard which would link Marine Terrace with the Harbour. Desirable though this might have been. the tone of events to come was set when the Borough Engineer, charged with ascertaining the costs involved in acquiring properties along the route for demolition or modification and construction of the wall and roadway, found that on the plans issued to him the Council had omitted to include the proposed building lines! He was told simply to produce an estimate for the wall and road, which cost was, "not to exceed £61,000". In the meantime, tenders had been sought for the supply of ballast and cement to manufacture the concrete blocks required for the wall and. by the end of 1878, that process at least was well underway. It was a disastrous start to the project to exclude the costings for property required, as it was that feature which was to have such an impact on things as it progressed but the final estimate for the wall and road construction came in at £26,600, less an estimate of £5.000 for sales of equipment and materials etc., making a total required of £21,600. The Council lost no time in seeking a loan of £25.000, doubtlessly thinking they had everything stitched up neatly. But they were soon in for a very rude awakening!

All through 1878 the project was the subject of intense argument. There were those like Mr. Fagg who recommended a start in February of that year otherwise the coming season would get in the way, and Robert W ood, the Mayor, who in March was recommending the scheme wholeheartedly and Mr. Reeve, who did likewise despite the fact that he only thought the cost would be around £22,000 without the inclusion of freehold purchases and John Bayly, who objected to the publication of figures as it was, "indiscreet and prejudicial to the interests of the Ratepayers"!

Others were totally against the whole scheme. The Engineer, weighing in with his bit, stated that in his view, working on the assumption that only £21,400 would be expended., only a small increase in the Rates would be required to fund the loan over a period of 50 years. As it transpired, all of that confidence and optimism (based on little more than guesswork!) was misplaced. The saga of 'The Globe Hotel' alone would definitely upset their applecart! As with the Fort Road clearance scheme of the 1930s, where some 'dodgy' dealing ensured good profits for many of the town's 'leaders'. so it was with 'The Globe'. Almost certainly acting on 'inside information' of the impending Marine Drive scheme, its freehold had been snapped up for just £2.000 by one of our local worthies when put onto the market in 1876. Trouble was it cost the Council £7,247. 18s. 8d. to buy it for the scheme, and they only realised £354. 14s. 3d. from the sale of stock and fixtures. That ineptitude certainly cost the town dearly!

By January, 1879, things had started on the construction of the new wall. The first section to be tackled was that between Horn Comer (where the King's Stairs now are) and the Harbour wall. This was due to the fact that the Parade was originally a part of the Harbour basin (as shown in the accompanying photograph, the quality of which is admittedly poor but very old and rare) and much material and work would be needed to fill it in. To move the completed blocks at the construction yard and to lower them into position in the wall, the Council had hired two steam cranes from a Mr. A. Williams, but a delay was caused early in the scheme when one of them broke down and had to be sent to London for repair, its return being delayed by a strike of
engineering workers there. As it was necessary to move and stack the blocks as they were cast,this meant the wall construction had to wait for the return of the second crane. Rather amazingly, a local contractor, Mr. Thunder, sent a letter in January enquiring about the tendering process for the making of the concrete blocks. Given the fact that this tender had been properly advertised and awarded the previous year, his reaction was tardy to say the least. The Council had to write to him and gently explain the facts, but one has to wonder at the intelligence of some of those involved in this project! The repaired crane returned from London, the Council
made plans for the ceremonial laying of the supposed' first' blocks of this prestige project. Supposed because the laying of the blocks had commenced at the Harbour end in January, as already recorded. To keep the illusion going, on February the 15th, 1879, three 'foundation' blocks were carefully lowered into position by the crane at an official ceremony presided over by the Mayor and his entourage. From then on things cracked on at a fair pace, and as the length of the wall grew from both ends towards their meeting place, thousands of cubic yards of spoil and chalk were dumped behind it as infill. There was chalk from the foreshore and building works around the town, and some 7,000 cubic yards of earth were dug out from the soggy ground
around The Brooks, where Dreamland car park now is. All of this was carried out by hand,naturally, and the labour involved was hard and intensive, further complicated by the fact that access to the job of laying the blocks was governed by the tides, as for much of the time the site was underwater and. of course, the tides 'creep' an hour every day too, which doesn't help.

By March things were going well, and it was reported that, much to the relief of the residents,many of the piles of chalk dumped onto Marine Terrace for infilling purposes had been removed. But if that cheered the Council up. the Pier and Harbour Co. did not. They were threatening legal action against the Council, maintaining that a substantial area of the foreshore around the Harbour belonged to them and that the Council had no right to build on it. The Council, in another display of ineptitude, maintained that was nonsense as they had purchased the foreshore rights from the Marquis of Conyngham previously, but what they had failed to look at was the rights given to the Pier & Harbour C o. in the Act of Parliament under which it was established. Faced with the threat of an injunction by the Marquis of Conyngham, the Council were obliged to eat humble pie and compensate the Pier & Harbour Co. for the right to build on their land, an added expense made more burdensome by the fact that the foundations there had to be strengthened due to the depth of silt in that area. Not to be outdone, the Boatmen shut the job down for 'several weeks with an injunction citing that infilling the Parade Basin would damage business, but judgement went in the Council's favour. This confusion over title of the Harbour Basin returned a few years back when the Council bought the Stone Pier. wrongly believing that also gave them the area enclosed by it!

In June, Keble's Gazette was able to report that the old Iron Bridge which spanned the cut down to the sands had been removed, and the cut filled in. So good progress had been made on the work at the sea front. but things were not going at all well on the financial front. After very pointed questions had been raised as to the parlous state of the finances, and about the ability of the town's 'shopkeeper cadre (known colloquially in Margate as 'The White Hart Clique') to properly manage them, the following figures were produced in July at the request of Mr. Munns. an outspoken critic of the way in which the project had been handled. In answer to his probing questioning, it was stated that out of the £25.000 all that was left in the account was £6.072, and that was before the Council had drawn a cheque to pay for the Victoria baths which it had acquired for demolition. And he also questioned why that cheque had seemingly been 'overlooked' when all other owners of, acquired property had been paid. Obviously, if it was now paid, as it should be. it would only leave a balance of £4,57.2 and the job was nowhere near finished yet and there was an expected wages bill of £5,000 facing them. As if that wasn't bad enough, the projected £5,000 from the sales of equipment and material so confidently predicted by the Surveyor had not materialised either, so it is clear that the whole project had been a financial disaster, that original costings at around £26,00 had been far too low, and that should have been obvious given that remark to the Engineer that costs were not to exceed £61.000, which showed that one person at least had some idea of the true costs involved right from the outset.

Apart from that, Mr. Munns had other concerns of a moral nature which he had unsuccessfully tried to raise with the Mayor in February. Looking back from our age, it is obvious that an attempt had been made to do the whole job on the cheap. It has always been a basic flaw of any kind of project, whether by local, national government or private companies, that they will go for the lowest quote where tenders are concerned. But this has a built-in tendency to guarantee that your finished product will not be of the highest standard possible. This sort of process at work was highlighted by the Cemetery Chapels which, built to the lowest tender in 1857, had to be virtually rebuilt a few decades later. It should be obvious to all that you get exactly the quality you pay for, and whilst the concrete blocks for the Marine Drive wall were of good enough quality, problems were later experienced with some of the materials for the street works, but more of that later. Mr. Munns appears to have been a man of fairness and principle, which is more than can be said for some of his colleagues in the Council. Back in February, 1879, he had raised the issue of the non-payment of the £1,500 for the acquisition of the Victoria Baths and asked for a detailed account of expenditure, as he had worked out that there was only a little over £9,000 remaining then and that would be further depleted by payment for the Baths. Amazingly, he was told by John Bayly that the figure could not be given 'off-hand'. But Munns was a worthy opponent for the 'White Hart Clique' and when the labour costs were being discussed he made a point which should have shamed the Council.

The figures were produced in March and stated the total amount expended on labour up to then was only £600 which, given the amount of work achieved by the 79 men employed, proves to us today that they were working on the cheap. Admittedly, those were hard times and men were only too glad of a chance to work, but the Mayor's boast that 64 of those 79 men were paid at not more than five pence per hour, with the highest rate being eight pence and only 4 or 5 men receiving more than £2 per week reflects a sad state of affairs. It was also 'pleasing' to him to see that the highest number of weekly hours recorded in the wage sheets in front of him was 841h, 'only' 16 hours per day! But Munns countered this by stating that he had evidence that the week previous to the meeting he had found that one man was working 120 hours per week - 21.5 hours per day - and that when he had raised such issues with the Mayor three weeks ago, he had refused to discuss the matter, so now he had raised the matter in Council the time was ripe for debate.

Sadly, the reaction of the Mayor was simply to state that he had, "often done it" himself. Munns countered by stating that only left 3.5 hours a day for food and rest, to which the Council Chamber erupted to laughter and cries of, "Bosh!". But Munns hit back saying that 16 hours was considered a very fair day's work (times have thankfully changed since then!) but when a man worked 20.5h on behalf of the Council he thought someone was guilty of gross barbarity. He pointed out that if anybody had treated an animal in such a fashion they would have been jumped on by the Inspector of Cruelty to Animals, but because this was a man, and a very poor one too, there was nobody willing to interfere to prevent such slavery. When Mr. Kendall asked if it were true that a man had really worked such long hours for the Council, the Mayor's response was that if he had, it had been of his own free will and that nobody had asked him to do i!! The Mayor had proved himself to be totally arrogant as any 20.5 hours he might ever have worked would certainly not equate to anything like the physical effort required of the man in question, and the fact that 16 hours of physical labour was apparently considered a fair day's work by the Council left a lot to be desired too.

It had been obvious in March that the financial side of things were not all they should be, and by that time it was also apparent that the project had been started without any forward planning on the material side. With coastal shipping then being sailing ships, the failure to lay in sufficient stores of ballast and cement beforehand for the blockmaking process caused huge supply problems when the job started in the mid-winter. As it transpired, shipowners were reluctant to risk their vessels in the bad weather conditions prevailing and serious shortages occurred, especially in the shipping of ballast, their skin being saved by the notoriously shady Margate bargeowner and sometime councillor, Elwin Hawthorne. And the public was often unappreciative of the mess caused by the work. Just as there had been complaints regarding the piles of chalk on Marine Terrace, the same occurred with the amounts dumped at The Parade for the filling in of the old Harbour basin. The wet weather had delayed the work badly and the Surveyor responded to criticism that not enough was being done to get The Parade filled, levelled and finished for the Whitsun of 1879, by stating that not only was the weather holding work up, but he was being hampered by a shortage of materials. Despite all of that, he hoped to beat the Whitsun deadline. Given the amount of work done by the men since January and the sheer volume of the thousands of cubic yards of material required for infilling at The Parade and behind the course of the wall, it is little short of a miracle.

(Illustration 1) A view of the Bay before the construction of the Marine Drive began. At the right, behind the cluster of bathing machines, can be seen the Iron Bridge over the cut leading down to the Sands. From there the stone wall sloped up to Andrew's Passage This is the path that now skirts the front of Marine Gardens.
(Illustration 2) is of indifferent quality, but gives a very rare view of how the Harbour"basin once projected right back into The Parade. The building on the left is still there at the bottom of the High Street, while on the right are 'The Globe' and Victoria Bathing Rooms, the acquisition and subsequent disposal cost the Ratepayers of Margate dearly and it was a surprise that things had progressed that far in what had been a very inclement winter.

But despite the welcome steady progress of the work, it was obvious as the year wore on that the financial side was in deep crisis. Up stepped a saviour in the form of Mr. Cobb with his Margate Bank to provide loans to carry on. One wonders at some of the meetings which must have taken place behind closed doors as all of these councillors and friends struggled to keep control of a project seriously out of its depth. Take the Pier and Harbour Company's demand for compensation for the foreshore on which the wall and road was to sit. As it happened most of the Directors of the Company were councillors too, yet they had no qualms about taking money from the Ratepayers they claimed to serve, despite the fact they would have been aware from the outset that they had the rights to the foreshore in question.

The rain which seemed to fall incessantly caused problems behind the wall in the partly filled areas. Laying in puddles as it did which were added to by raw sewage from leaking pipes from the High Street properties, this soon deteriorated into a huge public nuisance, not to mention a health hazard. And, just like today, people were prone to dumping their rubbish and this, added to the offensive water, caused howls of protest in the local paper from the hotel and boarding house keepers, alarmed at the prospects of what this stinking mess which they described as, "an open cesspool", might do to their business prospects for the looming holiday season. There had been displayed to the public in April, 1879, a model of a section of the cast-iron railings which were eventually to adorn the seaside of the new road, and this also showed the 'handsomely carved stone pillars', set at intervals of 20 yards in the iron railings, which were to have atop them the famous dolphin lamps, made to the same pattern as those which adorned the Embankment in London. These were obtained from the manufacturing foundry by Messrs. D. & W. Bentley, the Margate High Street ironmongers. Rather optimistically, a write-up of the fence and lights contained the information that the pavement would have a barrel profile, "so that any sea which may wash over it will thus immediately rush back into the sea again". Confident stuff but, as all those of us who witnessed the Great storm of 1953 will attest, seriously over-optimistic. The sea then not only flooded and tore up Marine Drive's road surface, but smashed the iron railings and a concrete police-box which stood near to the Clock Tower!

The job slogged on throughout the summer and following winter, and by March, 1880, was virtually complete. In that month it was reported that the process of filling and levelling the space behind the wall had been completed by a top dressing of chalk which had been well rolled in, the kerbs for the road had been laid and the footpath given a temporary dressing of gravel. There was a promise forthcoming that the road and path would be partially opened and ready for use by Easter. To top things off, work was started on building the new King's Stairs and installing the pathway and drains in front of the buildings on the south side of the road. Finally, in May, 1880, it was deemed that the project was far enough advanced for an official opening. But the sense of chaos which had characterised the whole business lingered to exert its malign influence one more time, much to the delight of the crowds who had gathered to watch the big parade. It had been intended that the Mayor should make his grand speech outside of the Kent Hotel, at the beginning of the new thoroughfare, and it would have made sense for he and his entourage to have waited there for the large parade, led by the band and men of the East Kent Mounted Rifles, to arrive and halt whilst he did the business. However, for reasons probably reflecting his own opinion of his high status, he very foolishly decided that he and his party would lead the parade. Trouble was, when he stopped outside the Kent the parade marched on, leaving him to chase after and stop it so that he could give his speech. What a farce the whole thing had been, but totally in keeping!

Of course (May 1880), is always given as the date of the completion of the project, but that is wrong. In March, 1883, it was reported that Messrs. Benstead, the contractors employed to pave Marine Drive, had found it impossible to commence the work due to the adverse weather conditions, and in the following month another firm, Messrs. Bateman, had been engaged to report on the apparent deterioration of those 'handsomely carved stone pillars' in the fence line which had only been in place a short time. as it was not until July, 1880, that Keble's Gazette had proudly announced, "We are pleased to see that eight of the new lamps have been fixed on their stone pedestals they are execellent specimens of cast iron workand the design is massive and handsome Messrs. D.& W. Bentley and Son, who have supplied them, have applied a new burner of more than the usual illuminating power, but at ''no additional cost''. That brings me back to my point of taking the lowest quote, you get exactly the quality you pay for. The job still lingered on into the mid-1880s, as in July of 1885 Messrs. Paramor successfully tendered to build that flight of stone steps from Marine Drive to Andrew's Passage at the lowest quote of £72, and in July, 1886, another t was advertised to lay York Stone paving from those new steps to the King's Head. Before I move on to the final part of this article, I should like to point out that a basic rule of quantity surveying when preparing estimates is that the cost of labour equates roughly to that of materials, so for the Council to boast of only £600 labour costs against £2,000 for materials validates Mr. Munns' claim of 'barbarity and slavery'.

Shortly after 'The Globe' had been bought it mysteriously caught alight (nothing new then, is there?). Unfortunately for somebody or other, the blaze had been extinguished before it destroyed the property. By August, 1880, it had become imperative that the building be sold as the Marine Drive account was £7,380 overdrawn. Despite this ridiculous state of affairs, there were arguments in the Council about selling it with restrictions on use and covenants on future redevelopment of the site. It was advertised for sale by auction in London on the 30th of August, together with a plot of land adjoining, both being freehold. The building had cost the Ratepayers dearly and yet there were still those in the Council who seemed determined to hamper its sale by placing restrictions upon its future. Fortunately, wise heads prevailed and the Council finally got rid of it, clawing back some funds in the process. The financial ineptitude displayed was simply breathtaking as the Victoria Baths, acquired for £1,500, had been sold at auction in March, 1880, and fetched the princely sum of £12! The final cost of the scheme was over £50,000, twice the original estimate, and the burden on the Ratepayers large.

Margate had its new road, but what a perfonnance it had been. And whilst we might shake our heads in amazement at the antics of those who do not seem to have been capable of organising things financially then, we have just witnessed another prime example of exactly the same problem with the the Turner Centre, where councillors and their friends talked in telephone numbers about the ridiculously escalating costs of that design and were totally oblivious to public opinion and local knowledge which told them right from the outset the whole thing was a joke. But one thing is certain, the money lost on Marine Drive and the millions wasted on the Turner Centre all came from the same place the poor old public who paid everytime!

(Illustration 3) This view Hazardous Row at right and the Harbour basin at left gives a clear indication of just why the Council were forced to buy the freeholds in order to proceed with the project, a very necessary expense which they failed totally to anticipate. The problem was that all of these properties had balconies which overhang the area of the proposed development area, and which had to be removed. These days they would have been compulsorily purchased, but no such powers existed then and some people made a lot of money out of the Council for what were really nothing more than timber shacks, and only after hard bargaining for their freeholds.

Neptune Square Margate Mid 1930's (Demolished)

2009-08-16T19:48:00.001+01:00

Neptune Square Margate Mid 1930's (Demolished)
Originally uploaded by Margate Historical Society

Neptune Square now demolished, was found on the site now occupied by Margate Police Station, The Arcadian and Fort Hotel, all that remains are the small terrace of buildings behind the Fort Hotel.

Do you have memories of Neptune Square? If so please let us know.

Margate Harbour Views added

2009-08-16T18:33:00.009+01:00

More on http://www.flickr.com/photos/margatehistoricalsociety/

Today I have added some views of, or from the Margate Harbour, Jetty and Pier.

Pictures of Margate Seaside, Promenade and Parade

2009-08-15T12:37:00.012+01:00

Today we have a selection of Pictures of Margate's Seaside History. All the new pictures can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/margatehistoricalsociety/

Membership forms will be available soon, and a gift will be given to each new Member, so if you want to join please respond to any of the links.

Trinity Square Now- Trinity Church (Demolished)

2009-08-03T13:36:00.016+01:00

This week we are posting pictures of Trinity Square as it is now. The site of the Church and grounds is now a Council car park, a new housing development and a GP practice (The Limes). The gardens are the towns Memorial Gardens and has had additional memorials placed there.

For the full set of Trinity Square pictures go to flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/margatehistoricalsociety
If you have any pictures of coments do send them in to the contact or comments links

Trinity Church (demolished)

2009-07-27T11:36:00.007+01:00

Today we bring you some new pictures of Trinity Church which were supplied via the DLC Collection. They show other views of Trinity Church, which may jog your memory. (Remember these were supplied by other sources than the Historical Society and as such may be protected and in that case you can view and keep them for your own private use, but cannot publish without express permission and citation). If you have pictures that you want included or added to the collection just contact us and we will arrange to meet and discuss this with you. We would like to publish over the next few years a full account of life and work in Margate and your help would be invaluable.

Welcome to Margate Historical Society

2009-07-19T09:35:00.009+01:00

Welcome to the first blog from us all at Margate Historical Society. Our aim is to bring you all the Society's historical archives, and to save this and more for the future to serve as a comprehensive history of Margate, Kent.

We will be launching a complete collection of 'Margate in Pictures' and the link to this will be posted here soon as well as a dedicated website. Please save this blog to your Blog, Facebook and Twitter accounts and spread word on the fabulous history of Margate far and wide.

This picture from 1874 (note the sheep: a very environmentally friendly way of cutting the grass we think). Holy Trinity Church, Margate

For you today we bring you Holy Trinity Church, Trinity Square Margate (Demolished). The Foundation stone was laid in 1825 by Dr Manners-Sutton, Archbishop of Canterbury designed by Architect Mr William Edmunds of Margate. 1829 the Church consecrated by Dr William Howley, then Archbishop of Canterbury; with a Bell purchased from Thomas Mears. It was hung for ringing in a frame 9’ 6" high! In 1943 The church was bombed. The bells and contents survived as the bomb failed to completely destroy the building. Services continued in the church hall for some time, but in 1956 Services transferred to St Mary’s Chapel, Northdown Park. In 1957 building work for a new church was started by the architect, Harold Anderson. The Old Building was demolished in 1958.

Through this site we would like to collect all your memories and information about each picture, location, building we publish, so if you have anything that relates to Holy Trinity Church (now demolished), attending the Church while still open, living in Trinity Square, working in and around Trinity Square, Trinity Hill, then reply or post a comment and we will try to include your memories in the archive. If you have items you want to donate then send us your contact details and we will get in touch as soon as practical.

Over the next months we will re-publish the Margate Historical Society articles and will be publishing many special pictures for you to see. If you would like to join the Margate Historical Society, please contact us and we will send you a subscription form and dates for your diaries.